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Francis Turner's avatar

I think this will be an interesting test, but I am unconvinced that BEVs are the threat you think they are outside China and inside China they are selling as much as they are because of subsidies. My bet is that Toyota's HEVs are the customer desired answer and the only reason for EV growth are government policies that make them more attractive than they actually are

You mention issues with EVs - price, range/charging time - and claim that they are being resolved, which they probably are. You omitted two others - resale value and weight.

Weight is probably impossible to solve assuming you want EVs to have decent range because batteries are just heavier than a tank of fuel. Also battery charging time is IMO only partly solved. It is solved for the second car in a two+ car household because the second car typically just does a short range commute most days and therefore can be charged overnight, but the primary car is generally expected to do more - tow things, drive to distant vacation spots etc. that will require it to stop and charge somewhere. 30 minutes sounds OK until you compare it to a non-EV that can be refueled in 5 minutes. I know the argument is that you spend the 30 minutes having a coffee/meal, going to the toilet and so on but that only partly solves the problem AND it only works when there are 6 times as many charging spaces as there are fuel pumps because only one car can be charged by a specific charger at a time and it takes 6x as long

Resale value depends heavily on the range of the EV not declining precipitously as it ages and my understanding is that this is not a solved problem in the newer battery technologies. Sure you can (in theory) replace the batteries but given that the battery is 40% of the cost of the car that means that the resale value in a few years will drop fast because of the need to replace the battery and still have the car cost less than a new one. The jury is out on whether BYD and Geely cars will still be running in 5-10 years, but I can buy a Toyota and be confident that it'll run for well over a decade assuming no major incidents. Even if I plan to sell the car on in five years, I get a higher price for it because the next buyer is confident that the car will still run. Moreover, until EV chargers are available widely in poor places, the market for second hand EVs will be smaller (and hence prices will be lower). The final destination for old cars in first world nations is often third world nations and I find it hard to believe that EVs will be running in Africa in the next decade. I rather doubt they'll be running in the less developed parts of Asia either (the stans or, say, Laos)

I have a further challenge. What kind of car do you personally drive? and what do you plan on buying next? Ask enough people around the world those questions and you'll get a feel for whether EVs are actually going to take off. My strong intuition is that people will prefer not to buy EVs

Pure EVs have other problems, like poor cold weather performance, that reduce

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MarcoPolo's avatar

Transition into EV will mean the millions of jobs in Japan, but Trump tariffs have already done that anyway. Now, Toyota has a motivation to go into EVs, but it refuses to do so as it wants to save the suppliers. Toyota's acquisition of Toyota Industries is a very controversial move that makes my point exactly. Even if Toyota wants to move into EVs completely, it will fail to secure the critical resources and supply chains as China has totally dominated everything to wage a price war for decades.

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